Ornstein was probably about Duty and Honour above all else while Smough was just a amoral killer. He may have respected his skills as a warrior and saw fit to to have a brief moment regarding him before heading to battle again.
Now Artorias, well do I even need to talk about his sense of loyalty, given that he sacrificed his shield to protect Sif?
The only piece of real characterization we get of Ornstein is his mourning of Smough's death. He likely is disgusted by Smough's personality and habits, but remember that being the captain of the four knights makes him something of a lieutenant to Gwyn. Ornstein has probably watched tens of thousands of compatriots die to dragons ("For everyone one of them, we lost three score of our own.") and demons under his command. The one thing I can say for sure is that I'd love to see him in Dark Souls 2 with some spoken lines, since we know what every other one of the four knights sound like. Of course a word or two from Gwyn himself would be really neat too. Great art by the way!
Yes but keep in mind that Arty was designed as a solo boss fight while Ornstein was designed to work with Smough. I'm sure he's no push-over in any case, seeing how he has that Dragonslayer title and was probably the captain of the Four Knights.
Every memeber of the four knights of gwyn was a dragonslayer Orstein was the only one arrogant enough to hold a title for it. Gough of the four knights lead the dragonslayer archers all they did was KILL dragons. Gough was BLIND and shot kalameet out of the sky, Orstein really can't use his title as an excuse for his skill. And i'm not saying he's a push over but i've fought all four of the knights of gwyn and out of all of them I have to say as fast as he is, he is the most lacking in skill. Honestly I believe in a one of one fight, without smough saving his ass every time he needed it, Artorias would pound Orsteins face though the ground and falcon punch him upside the head. Just my opinion though everyone has one.
You 'ought to take into consideration the fact that the DLC was designed to be more difficult. If it didn't provide more of a challenge than the vanilla game, then it wouldn't be so good, am I right?
Plus, we know very little of Ornstein's story. He was the only one of the four knights of Gwyn that we never actually had the opportunity to either talk to or learn more about, he was just sort of 'there' for the one boss fight. You had the ability to talk to both Gough and Ciaran, and plenty of info was provided on Artorias already, but barely anything on Ornstein. You can't really call him arrogant with barely nothing to go on. Considering he was captain of the guard, you'd think he earned that title and position.
Plus, you need to consider the fact that both Ornstein and Smough could have very well been illusions, just like Gwynevere. We can only assume that if they too were illusions, they probably went with the real Gwynevere. That being said, you need to ask yourself if facing the real Ornstein and Smough would be much more challenging than facing their illusions.
I would consider them to be illusions but, i've come to the conclusion that illusions do not drop rings that belonged to the real Orstein or his SOUL for that matter. And Ornstein was only THOUGHT to be the captain of the four knights of gwyn. The actual captain is never actually stated in game, only that it was THOUGHT to be Ornstein. That being said I leave nothing to chance taking into consideration that if he was captain then he certaintly earned that title somehow, BUT as history shows being incharge does not make you the best. And yes I agree they had to make the DLC more difficult than the vanilla game but in all honesty it was really that hard. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it greatly but the only boss out of the four that gave me any trouble was Artorias and as a single boss he whooped my ass three times harder than smough and ornstein together EVER DID.
So no I take out no consideration that Orstein is indeed skilled in what he did, but I am stating that in a match between him and Artorias, Artorias would easily take the battle because of his skill with his greatsword and his great ability to dodge by sliding from side to side. Which would also make it nearly impossible for Orstein to hit him with his straight forward and lunge spear attacks. So do I believe Ornstein is weak? NO. Do I believe if it came down to giving it their all Artorias would put him in his place. Yes, very much so.
Bro, going off On-Screen stuff is pointless. Ornstein's AI is designed and based off working with Smough. If the were both single-handedly as powerful as Artorias they would be WAY OP. Ornstein is BELIEVED to be the Captain. Just take it for granted he slew the most dragon in the Age of Ancients or something man. I'm trying to not be offensive, but you're making yourself look like a giant fanboy.
Not really prefering one character over another and believing them superior is in no way being a fan boy. It is merely who we believe would win in a fight. I do not see how me explaining my argument on why I believe Artorias is superior in this match up, would be considered be a "fanboy"
Well, no matter what argument we throw at you, you won't give up and admit that Ornstein Lore-Wise might be more powerful than Artorias. I'm on O's side, but if you're on A's that's cool, bro. But you don't need to resist everything which gets thrown at you.
Yes, but there's still no point in saying that he didn't earn his title at all. And I don't think you're understanding what I said. This is a video game we're talking about here, remember that. The designers intentionally made Artorias a tough boss battle. Not to mention, Smough and Ornstein were designed to work together, hence why one would absorb that other's power once the other was eliminated, they wanted to maintain the same level of difficulty somewhat. Furthermore, it shouldn't have been something like fighting two of Artorias. Sure, even after defeating Smough first, Ornstein was pretty easy to get rid of, but it was most likely because it was a two part boss battle. It's like why they made it so you couldn't get hit whilst inside the bed of chaos, it'd just be too annoying.
I say look at this in a PVP manor. A greatsword wielder VS a spear wielder. Who would win? Honestly, it's hard to say. Whilst greatsword attacks are slow and powerful, spears can thrust fast and repeatedly, you'll end up outputting more damage in the end most likely. Not to mention, because the greatsword attacks are so slow, you'll have lots of opportunities to get some hits in. There's also the added bonus of being able to attack with your spear whilst your shield is up. And yes, greatswords do have the ability to get your shield down and stumble you. This is why it's hard to say who the real victor is. I don't think one is more skilled than the other.
Because the difficulty of these battles is artificial, and they obviously made Artorias harder, you can't go off and say Artorias would win simply because he was harder for you, that's illogical.
You're basically saying he'd win because they designed him to be harder for the purpose of making decent DLC, you're not really thinking lore-wise.
Very nice. I really like the style and especially the motion of this image. You perfectly captured Artorias, his weariness (or rather, corruption) and Ornstein's, ehm, electric nature (Pikachu). I've always wondered how NPC v NPC fights would look like... Also, I'd like to know if the captain of Gwyn's knights would defeat his "underling" or if that oprising would succeed. Maybe that battle did happen at some point? Stuff for a whole new sideline of the plot...